Zhuangzi:  Well, I suppose that’s enough profundity for now . . .

Scott:  Okay, I’ll let you go . . . but there’s one other thing that’s come to mind with regards to this non-existence of our existence—the paradox: “No one lives longer than a dead child, and Pengzu died young.”

Zz: Ha! We could go at it all day and not get to the bottom of that one. But alright, open another bottle and let’s get on with it.

Scott:  You’re going to have to help me here—I’m not sure where to start.

Zz:  Context is usually a good place for starting; and in this case it hits the target spot on. Do you remember it?

Scott:  You’ve said that your saying might say something different than what others have said, but it’s hard to know if it has for sure because being different and being similar are so similar.

Zz:  When we put things into different categories—like correct and incorrect—it’s still always possible to put them together in yet another category. So, everything is both different and similar. A cow and an ox are different, but also similar. A human and a snake are different and the same. A pebble and the universe are dissimilar, but also very much the same. Your interpretation of my stuff and that of all those with whom you so vehemently disagree, are the same. You and I are very different, but also very much the same.

Scott:  I, who “exist”, and you who “do not exist”, are different, but can also somehow be . . . united to form a oneness.

Zz:  That’s exactly where I take it with that infinite regress, as you call it. If there is existence and non-existence, then the transformation from one to the other does not resolve to logic. There’s always a not-yet-beginning-to-be-existence or non-existence—yet another category.

Scott:  So you’re not sure which is which—there seems to be non-existence and not be existence.

Zz:  Yeah. Maybe I made it more complicated than necessary—it’s just as you said: existence and non-existence can be united to form a oneness. And what’s that? Who knows? But if someone knows, then that would be another category which would require yet another category—what it is not—and those two could also be united to form a oneness ad infinitum.

Scott: So it’s all just one big open-endedness.

Zz:  Go ahead and capitalize that one: One Big Open-Endedness.

Scott:  Just like us.

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